tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8690015360043647739.post3465752988429181128..comments2023-05-12T04:10:50.446-05:00Comments on Sound Doxology: The Effeminate Worship LeaderUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8690015360043647739.post-49949420995661812492016-03-30T20:59:01.417-05:002016-03-30T20:59:01.417-05:00You are right.Some of the songs are an embarrassme...You are right.Some of the songs are an embarrassment. One song sung by a male says,"I want you to put your passion inside of me." I am embarrassed to take my fellow truck driver friends to many of today's churchesAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14791073175254579176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8690015360043647739.post-25794936716438409812016-01-17T16:55:04.253-06:002016-01-17T16:55:04.253-06:00Hello Rich,
This is one of the best Christian blog...Hello Rich,<br />This is one of the best Christian blog posts I have read. It addresses a real problem in our church culture that, like you, I have noticed. Gender distinctions are real and they matter because God matters.<br /><br />But I'm also somewhat troubled. I feel like there is an elephant in the sanctuary. You mention the need for ministers to be masculine and how clothing and behavior send an important message, to which I wholeheartedly agree. But doesn't hair factor into this too?Jacobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8690015360043647739.post-35617817417869782182012-10-25T15:22:16.270-05:002012-10-25T15:22:16.270-05:001. The way I understand your comment is...you have...1. The way I understand your comment is...you have a stronger feminine side, and you are living in it, and the masculine character is not your type.<br />2. "People don't and can't choose the way they act!" I totally disagree with you about this. It seems like someone is controlling you. The best guess I have is SIN/carnal self.<br />3. Seems a lot of people had put a heavy judgement on you, and you feel alienated and you tend to cave in with people of the same feather.<br />4. You seems to be going in church but not communing with Jesus- You need Him buddy, we all need Him, Im not perfect, but He is our perfection, our strenght- our masculinity!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8690015360043647739.post-44663808053375230982010-11-16T22:40:07.661-06:002010-11-16T22:40:07.661-06:00There is a lot of data which says that pagan worsh...There is a lot of data which says that pagan worship leaders had to be male but had to "perform the role of women." Plato notes that this pretending in the theater can literally change one's character.<br /><br />Father Johannes Quasten quotes:<br /><br /> ""Philodemus considered it paradoxical that music should be regarded as veneration of the gods while musicians were paid for performing this so-called veneration. Again, Philodemus held as self deceptive the view that music mediated religious ecstasy. He saw the entire condition induced by the noise of cymbals and tambourines as a disturbance of the spirit.<br /><br /> He found it significant that, on the whole, only women and effeminate men fell into this folly.<br /><br /> Accordingly, nothing of value could be attributed to music; it was no more than a slave of the sensation of pleasure, which satisfied much in the same way that food and drink did."<br /><br />A noted professor gloats that matriarchal theology wins "by small acts of treachery."Ken Subletthttp://www.piney.com/RmHymns.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8690015360043647739.post-12055314419758732642010-05-17T15:57:13.037-05:002010-05-17T15:57:13.037-05:00This is the most misguided "Christian" w...This is the most misguided "Christian" writing I've read in a long time. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be born acting in "manly man" ways or likes doing "manly man" type stuff. People don't and can't choose the way they act! You should try living on the opposite side of "manly man" for a while. Never feeling like you fit in, always be left out and not feeling like a "real man", then you wouldn't be so quick to judge! And where do those of us who aren't all the time "manly men" have to go to find acceptance? Apparently not the church. Not YOUR church. Walk a mile in our shoes buddy and then you'll find some of your judgemental comments can't be taken so "lightly"! SB Columbus OHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8690015360043647739.post-56927933202093643272010-05-17T10:04:30.277-05:002010-05-17T10:04:30.277-05:00Great article, Rich. It was named dropped here htt...Great article, Rich. It was named dropped here http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/theresurgence this morning and I was perusing the articles.<br /><br />I wonder if an effeminate cause here isn't fostered by the worship leader, but by the leadership that appoints the worship leader. Theological misunderstandings or??Alannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8690015360043647739.post-82142699191491607612010-04-17T20:46:56.469-05:002010-04-17T20:46:56.469-05:00Thanks for the link Eric. I actually agree with al...Thanks for the link Eric. I actually agree with alot of what the author has posted. But I think we're coming at this from two different angles...<br /><br />I'm not advocating a Rambo-type, cage-fighting, grunting in the woods brand of masculinity. Perhaps I could have been a bit more clear about that. I hope you will read through some of the links I posted in my update. My hope in linking them is that they will further help flesh out what it means to 'act like men'.Rich Tuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11376699421743135831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8690015360043647739.post-32852071984527901982010-04-16T14:00:28.620-05:002010-04-16T14:00:28.620-05:00Thanks, Rich! I came across an excellent blog post...Thanks, Rich! I came across an excellent blog post today which expresses my reservations a bit more insightfully than I did: <br /><br />http://sheworships.com/2010/04/14/the-masculinization-of-the-church/Eric P.http://www.ericpazdziora.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8690015360043647739.post-3946023282223640062010-04-13T18:04:07.294-05:002010-04-13T18:04:07.294-05:00Thanks for visiting Anonymous. Obviously we're...Thanks for visiting Anonymous. Obviously we're at odds...but I wonder why you think Jesus would disagree to the point of vomiting? What part of Scripture leads you to this conclusion?Rich Tuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11376699421743135831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8690015360043647739.post-4543974615272954372010-04-13T16:42:51.319-05:002010-04-13T16:42:51.319-05:00I get it. Bathe yourself in stereotypes to make th...I get it. Bathe yourself in stereotypes to make the point that stereotyes are wrong. Meanwhile, you miss every point you try to make about masculinity and the assertive peace and self-assuredness that comes with knowing that true manliness doesn't require finger-pointing judgments of others. Makes me wonder where you learned that creating stereotypes just to knock them down was a "Christ-like" exercise of your intellect. If you're unable to let others live in their own way and embrace the way you choose to live as a Christian, then maybe you ought to try another belief system on for size that allows you the freedom to place people into neat categories based on clothing and speech patterns. If Jesus read this he would puke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8690015360043647739.post-27540707416793236262010-04-13T15:29:03.640-05:002010-04-13T15:29:03.640-05:00Great thoughts Eric!
You are exactly right in say...Great thoughts Eric!<br /><br />You are exactly right in saying that we should be showing the world that their image of masculinity is wrong because it's not based on Jesus. Great great observation.<br /><br />Not exactly sure if this particular post would be the best place to discuss it. Perhaps a post in the future. I hope this post serves it's purpose to shake some weak foundations and get people talking about leading biblically.<br /><br />Thanks for the discussion!Rich Tuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11376699421743135831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8690015360043647739.post-78808445129301303282010-04-13T14:19:34.276-05:002010-04-13T14:19:34.276-05:00This leaves me a bit confused--likely because I...This leaves me a bit confused--likely because I'm not seeing a clear definition of "masculinity" here. What if someone's a high tenor?<br /><br />Perhaps what's bothering me is the thought of some young men I know who have been told (implied or outright) that, since they're interested in "effeminate" pursuits such as art, music, theater, books, singing, etc., they are not sufficiently "masculine" and therefore they must be gay. Why do you think we see so many gay men in arts and letters today? At least partly because of our culture's unbiblical dichotomy in this area. I personally know one young man whose family of "manly men" essentially convinced him that he is homosexual, simply because he likes musical theater better than hunting or working on cars. <br /><br />Historically, though, the "manly man" who doesn't care for sensitive things is the modern worldly cultural construct. In the 17-1800s, for instance, if you <i>weren't</i> fastidiously dressed, scholarly, sensitive, and interested in the arts, it showed that you weren't interested in being presentable in polite society--and thus that you didn't want to be attractive to women (knowwhatImean)! Modern American culture misses this; I've often heard it said that "Guys don't like singing." Should we leave music to the ladies and go watch football, then?<br /><br />Or if we're talking about courage, strength, vigilance, and determination-- OK, but thinking of the women I know, I can't see those qualities as <i>exclusively</i> masculine.<br /><br />I guess I'm just looking for some balance-- like David, who showed emotion in public, sang, wrote poetry, and played the <i>harp</i>, but could fight and swing a sword with the best of them. Shouldn't we be showing the world that their image of masculinity is wrong because it's not based on Jesus? And (consequently) that you can be a "real man" and still enjoy the opera?<br /><br />My $0.02 -- EricErichttp://www.ericpazdziora.comnoreply@blogger.com